Solve : Today's word of the day - Graph - Really??

1.	Solve : Today's word of the day - Graph - Really??
Answer» I didn't know what a graph was until today. err.... ok... Quote from: Linux711 on November 08, 2010, 12:04:10 PM I didn't know what a graph was until today. Don't they have schools on your planet? What did you call these things? A sudden thought... how old are you? Quote from: Salmon Trout on November 08, 2010, 02:25:05 PM What did you call these things? Charts ?Charts! Here is a Graph: Or did he mean this? Only one other person here appears to know the difference between a graph and a chart. Graph: a graph is an abstract representation of a set of objects where some pairs of the objects are connected by links. There is overlap between some kinds of charts and some kinds of graphs, but only in some domains. Any plotting of a quantity X to a value Y is a graph. This includes charts that depict views of data in a graph format. PROTIP: just because a certain type of graph shows up in Excel's "Chart Wizard" dialog doesn't mean it's a chart. Excel could be used to create a "chart" of X squared, but that would by all definitions be a graph of a dependent variable Y against the dependent variable X. Regardless, what Geek posted as a graph is the Computer Science definition of a graph, which is probably redundant and despite his implication is not the only definition of a graph and thereby it should be us that uses the on him and not the other way around. Quote from: Geek-9pm on November 08, 2010, 05:14:08 PM Or did he mean this? No. The only thing that is always a chart is a "pie chart", it's never referred to as a pie graph, even though it could represent the same data as a graph. Quote from: rthompson80819 on November 08, 2010, 06:09:32 PM The only thing that is always a chart is a "pie chart", it's never referred to as a pie graph, even though it could represent the same data as a graph. really? What about things like Bar Charts? They don't connect data plot points with lines; they essentially serve as a graphical depiction of data in a table. In any case, this "debate" between what is and is not a chart or graph is pretty dumb, and an exercise in pedanticism. It's like arguing about the difference between a cup and a mug.Let me TRY again to grasp the graph gaff grapple. Here is a bubble chart. Is it also a bubble graph? Quote In any case, this "debate" between what is and is not a chart or graph is pretty dumb, and an exercise in pedanticism. It's like arguing about the difference between a cup and a mug. Agreed, but that's not why I posted this. I was implying that the word of the day was pretty pointless because most educated people already understand the concept of a graph/chart (doesn't matter). I thought this word was out of the norm, so I decided to post. But now I realize that all the words of the days are like this. Don't you think that they should be something that people don't understand, so they will learn? Quote from: Linux711 on November 10, 2010, 12:35:47 PM I was implying that the word of the day was pretty pointless because most educated people already understand the concept of a graph/chart (doesn't matter). Maybe you should give your definition of "Educated". My son is 7 and in the first grade so for his age he is "educated" but I doubt he could tell you the difference in a graph or chart. Just because you know what a word means doesn't mean every one else does regardless if they are educated or not. Quote from: Linux711 on November 10, 2010, 12:35:47 PM Agreed, but that's not why I posted this. I was implying that the word of the day was pretty pointless because most educated people already understand the concept of a graph/chart (doesn't matter). I thought this word was out of the norm, so I decided to post. But now I realize that all the words of the days are like this. Don't you think that they should be something that people don't understand, so they will learn? Several things: I don't recall a PREREQUISITE for visiting CH being that the visitor must be "educated". Additionally, not everybody will be keen on things such as Graphs and charts; Just as I cannot assume that people here Understand Big-O Notation or lambda expressions; anybody who takes a Computer Science course will know that, just as anybody who gets through Grade 10 Math (at least here that's where Polynomials/graphing were introduced) will understand graphs; Being a High school graduate is still "educated" but so is taking a Computer Science course; therefore I could just as easily say that "most educated people already understand the concept of lambda expressions" and I would be correct, but only for specific definitions of "educated". In anycase, my point is that not only is not everybody who visits this site not necessarily "educated" but that they may also not be educated "enough" to have covered such topics. And what about today's "Word" of the day? "Preview Pane" OUTRAGE! that's two words! In summary: you're paying too much attention to trivial "side shows" of the site. Actually I didn't even know CH had a word of the day until you posted this.Appreciate the feedback Linux711 and I agree that many of the Word of the Days I roll my eyes out, since many of them people are already going to know. The word of the day list is currently randomly generated at the beginning of the year and part of WEIGHTING used in the algorithm looks to see if term has a picture. Because graph has a picture in it, it gave it a high score and is a contributing FACTOR to why it was added into the word of the day. I spent this last week and a half updating the home page and making it more dynamic, allowing the page to pull all daily events into the home page so users didn't have to click on the actual word of the day link or today in computer history in order to see that information. This is going to definitely helps the feel of the site, however, as is obviously apparent words like "graph" and today's word "projector" are not going to be that helpful for the majority of users. I hope to go through and create an actual listing of words that have much more useful information that people are not likely going to know. But with my time being limited creating a script that generated the daily results seemed like the fastest solution at the time. Hope that explains everything and appreciate the feedback. I'm just happy to see that people are noticing the new feature, but now that it's functioning I'll have to refine it a lot more. Quote from: BC_Programmer on November 13, 2010, 10:00:38 AM And what about today's "Word" of the day? "Preview Pane" OUTRAGE! that's two words!

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I didn't know what a graph was until today. err.... ok... Quote from: Linux711 on November 08, 2010, 12:04:10 PM

I didn't know what a graph was until today.

Don't they have schools on your planet?

What did you call these things?

A sudden thought... how old are you?

Quote from: Salmon Trout on November 08, 2010, 02:25:05 PM

What did you call these things?

Charts ?Charts!

Here is a Graph:

Or did he mean this?
Only one other person here appears to know the difference between a graph and a chart.

Graph: a graph is an abstract representation of a set of objects where some pairs of the objects are connected by links.

There is overlap between some kinds of charts and some kinds of graphs, but only in some domains. Any plotting of a quantity X to a value Y is a graph. This includes charts that depict views of data in a graph format.

PROTIP: just because a certain type of graph shows up in Excel's "Chart Wizard" dialog doesn't mean it's a chart. Excel could be used to create a "chart" of X squared, but that would by all definitions be a graph of a dependent variable Y against the dependent variable X.

Regardless, what Geek posted as a graph is the Computer Science definition of a graph, which is probably redundant and despite his implication is not the only definition of a graph and thereby it should be us that uses the on him and not the other way around.

Quote from: Geek-9pm on November 08, 2010, 05:14:08 PM

Or did he mean this?

No.
The only thing that is always a chart is a "pie chart", it's never referred to as a pie graph, even though it could represent the same data as a graph. Quote from: rthompson80819 on November 08, 2010, 06:09:32 PM

The only thing that is always a chart is a "pie chart", it's never referred to as a pie graph, even though it could represent the same data as a graph.

really? What about things like Bar Charts? They don't connect data plot points with lines; they essentially serve as a graphical depiction of data in a table.

In any case, this "debate" between what is and is not a chart or graph is pretty dumb, and an exercise in pedanticism. It's like arguing about the difference between a cup and a mug.Let me TRY again to grasp the graph gaff grapple.
Here is a bubble chart.
Is it also a bubble graph?

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In any case, this "debate" between what is and is not a chart or graph is pretty dumb, and an exercise in pedanticism. It's like arguing about the difference between a cup and a mug.

Agreed, but that's not why I posted this. I was implying that the word of the day was pretty pointless because most educated people already understand the concept of a graph/chart (doesn't matter). I thought this word was out of the norm, so I decided to post. But now I realize that all the words of the days are like this. Don't you think that they should be something that people don't understand, so they will learn? Quote from: Linux711 on November 10, 2010, 12:35:47 PM

I was implying that the word of the day was pretty pointless because most educated people already understand the concept of a graph/chart (doesn't matter).

Maybe you should give your definition of "Educated". My son is 7 and in the first grade so for his age he is "educated" but I doubt he could tell you the difference in a graph or chart.

Just because you know what a word means doesn't mean every one else does regardless if they are educated or not.

Quote from: Linux711 on November 10, 2010, 12:35:47 PM

Agreed, but that's not why I posted this. I was implying that the word of the day was pretty pointless because most educated people already understand the concept of a graph/chart (doesn't matter). I thought this word was out of the norm, so I decided to post. But now I realize that all the words of the days are like this. Don't you think that they should be something that people don't understand, so they will learn?

Several things:

I don't recall a PREREQUISITE for visiting CH being that the visitor must be "educated". Additionally, not everybody will be keen on things such as Graphs and charts; Just as I cannot assume that people here Understand Big-O Notation or lambda expressions; anybody who takes a Computer Science course will know that, just as anybody who gets through Grade 10 Math (at least here that's where Polynomials/graphing were introduced) will understand graphs; Being a High school graduate is still "educated" but so is taking a Computer Science course; therefore I could just as easily say that "most educated people already understand the concept of lambda expressions" and I would be correct, but only for specific definitions of "educated".

In anycase, my point is that not only is not everybody who visits this site not necessarily "educated" but that they may also not be educated "enough" to have covered such topics.

And what about today's "Word" of the day? "Preview Pane" OUTRAGE! that's two words!

In summary: you're paying too much attention to trivial "side shows" of the site. Actually I didn't even know CH had a word of the day until you posted this.Appreciate the feedback Linux711 and I agree that many of the Word of the Days I roll my eyes out, since many of them people are already going to know. The word of the day list is currently randomly generated at the beginning of the year and part of WEIGHTING used in the algorithm looks to see if term has a picture. Because graph has a picture in it, it gave it a high score and is a contributing FACTOR to why it was added into the word of the day.

I spent this last week and a half updating the home page and making it more dynamic, allowing the page to pull all daily events into the home page so users didn't have to click on the actual word of the day link or today in computer history in order to see that information. This is going to definitely helps the feel of the site, however, as is obviously apparent words like "graph" and today's word "projector" are not going to be that helpful for the majority of users.

I hope to go through and create an actual listing of words that have much more useful information that people are not likely going to know. But with my time being limited creating a script that generated the daily results seemed like the fastest solution at the time.

Hope that explains everything and appreciate the feedback. I'm just happy to see that people are noticing the new feature, but now that it's functioning I'll have to refine it a lot more.

Quote from: BC_Programmer on November 13, 2010, 10:00:38 AM

And what about today's "Word" of the day? "Preview Pane" OUTRAGE! that's two words!

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