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Hello everyone!!
*respectful bow*
I wasn't sure where to post this, and I couldn't find anything in FAQ, so if I have the wrong department or area,plz forgive me,point the way to where I should go & I'll take it there. Did I mention that I'm new here??? *nervous grin*

anywho, I have a computer that was given to me *groan* and it's been constant headaches ever since. here's what I know about the system:
Microsoft XP Home
Version 2002
SP2
AMD Athlon Processor
1.41GHZ
1.00 GB RAM
It has a Hard drive that I added when I got it(meaning it has 2 HDD)
It has a DVD player/recorder that I added
It has a CD player that I added
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the Hard drive, the DVD drive & CD drive all came from an HP Compaq Presario 1220NX.
The hard drive I installed is 80 GB HDD.
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the original HDD that is still in the computer, is 37.2GB, with 31GB of free space
the computer had no CD/DVD drives until I put them in.
it had a 3.5 floppy when I got it, has since quit working,so I threw it out.
It did NOT have any of the removable slot things in front when I got it(I put those in too).
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OK the problems I'm having are these:

intermitten freezing up/crashing(the FAQ didn't work for me)

takes 3-5 MINUTES to get to the welcome screen

generally speaking, this thing is so slow,I could get pregnant,have a baby, & watch
him graduate from middle school B4 it does what I want it to...*sighs* I'm serious.

my sound just quit working the other day,when I tried to fix it, it(the computer) tells me that the sound program is not installed*groan* so now I have no sound whatsoever on my computer.

The main HDD (C:) has so much fragmentation in it/on it, that every disk fragmentation Programme I have used has failed to correct it.....

Which begs the Question, is this a sick computer or future boat anchor??
I would start with clean Windows install.Go into the bios and choose "Load Default Settings", save and then exit.

If you got a valid Windows XP Key and CD with the system then do a reinstall. If you don't have the CD but have a key. Look at the key sticker to see what version of XP is installed and then grab exactly the same version off the torrents. That is a bit grey legally speaking but I think its okay because you actually have a legal license. I saved my Brother-in-laws "Vista Upgradable" laptop by grabbing XP Media Center off the torrents and using his key to install. It saved him from having to buy the CD from Acer and saved me time.

The best thing you can do to improve performance is to buy a new hard drive that is much bigger. Hard drive performance is the biggest limitation on "perceived" system speed (IMO). If you buy a $55.00 250 GB hard drive your peak data rate will probably go from about 20 MB / second to about 50 or MB / second. The system will boot twice as fast and applications will start twice as fast.

I want to warn you about drivers. There is a tendency for people to grab the latest video driver from ATI or NVidia when in actuality it might be faster to use an old driver that was created when the video card in the system was made. By making unified drivers, NVidia sacrifices some performance for older cards to support newer cards. (they always optimize for the new cards, they have to because of benchmarking practices of REVIEWERS)

In general the safest driver to use after the reinstall are the ones you find at update.microsoft.com, but as I found out with my Bro-In-Law's laptop, if you have ATI and install MS ATI driver from windows update, and then try to install ATI's driver? It'll likely be a disaster. I got infinite BSOD and reboot once I did that I had to format the drive and start from scratch (the third time I might add) with his Acer lappy.

The other speed boost you can make is to UPGRADE RAM, but I can't see an Athlon Processor taking more than a GIG. Its possible, but not likely. You have to go to crucial.com, put in the motherboard or system information and it will tell you how much ram you can fit in it.

Good luck and let us know how it goes,

Raydude

Quote from: MJ on August 26, 2008, 06:36:58 PM

Which begs the Question, is this a sick computer or future boat anchor??
All current computers are future boat anchors But, yours is sick; doesn't seem catastrophic, though.

Do you receive any error messages?

Multiple, random errors could indicate that the PSU is failing; can you swap it out for another one?

Interesting about the fragmentation - with 84% Free Space on C:, there ought not be a problem defragging unless there is some sort of file corruption or bad sector issue. I would download and run the hard drive diagnostic utility from the hard drive manufacturer's site.

I agree with Broni's suggestion for a clean (not repair) install of XP. But, give some consideration to the PSU, especially if it is a proprietary machine; OEM's don't "give away" many extra watts, PSU's efficiency declines with age, and you have added several power consuming components.


Quote from: RayDude on August 27, 2008, 10:13:16 AM
Go into the bios and choose "Load Default Settings", save and then exit.

If you got a valid Windows XP Key and CD with the system then do a reinstall. If you don't have the CD but have a key. Look at the key sticker to see what version of XP is installed and then grab exactly the same version off the torrents. That is a bit grey legally speaking but I think its okay because you actually have a legal license. I saved my Brother-in-laws "Vista Upgradable" laptop by grabbing XP Media Center off the torrents and using his key to install. It saved him from having to buy the CD from Acer and saved me time.

The best thing you can do to improve performance is to buy a new hard drive that is much bigger. Hard drive performance is the biggest limitation on "perceived" system speed (IMO). If you buy a $55.00 250 GB hard drive your peak data rate will probably go from about 20 MB / second to about 50 or MB / second. The system will boot twice as fast and applications will start twice as fast.

I want to warn you about drivers. There is a tendency for people to grab the latest video driver from ATI or NVidia when in actuality it might be faster to use an old driver that was created when the video card in the system was made. By making unified drivers, NVidia sacrifices some performance for older cards to support newer cards. (they always optimize for the new cards, they have to because of benchmarking practices of reviewers)

In general the safest driver to use after the reinstall are the ones you find at update.microsoft.com, but as I found out with my Bro-In-Law's laptop, if you have ATI and install MS ATI driver from windows update, and then try to install ATI's driver? It'll likely be a disaster. I got infinite BSOD and reboot once I did that I had to format the drive and start from scratch (the third time I might add) with his Acer lappy.

The other speed boost you can make is to upgrade RAM, but I can't see an Athlon Processor taking more than a Gig. Its possible, but not likely. You have to go to crucial.com, put in the motherboard or system information and it will tell you how much ram you can fit in it.

Good luck and let us know how it goes,

Raydude



First off, I wish to thank everyone for all your help. I REALLY DO appreciate your help.*respectful bow*

Even tho I live for the computer, my knowledge of computers is somewhere between novice & intermediate.

I forgot to mention, that this computer of mine has 1024 of RAM. sorry.

I was thinking too about replacing the "C:" drive(the original HDD).

I do not have either; no key & no CD....

So from what Y'all have said, I think that maybe replacing the HDD may be the only option besides buying a new unit. Quote from: MJ on August 27, 2008, 12:19:27 PM
So from what Y'all have said, I think that maybe replacing the HDD may be the only option besides buying a new unit. [/size][/font]
Interesting, I don't think that a new hard drive was the consensus strategy; a) test your current hard drive, 2) format and re-install Windows - if that means buying a Windows CD, so be it. Where did the OS that is presently on the computer come from?

Good luck.Quote from: drmsucks on August 27, 2008, 03:55:25 PM
Quote from: MJ on August 27, 2008, 12:19:27 PM
So from what Y'all have said, I think that maybe replacing the HDD may be the only option besides buying a new unit. [/size][/font]
Interesting, I don't think that a new hard drive was the consensus strategy; a) test your current hard drive, 2) format and re-install Windows - if that means buying a Windows CD, so be it. Where did the OS that is presently on the computer come from?

Good luck.

#1) How do I test the Hard drive?

#2) When you say buy a CD, do you MEAN buy a new OS CD??

#3) This computer was built by the guy that gave it to me. where he got the OS from is anybody's guess.
He gave me a Windows XP Pro CD, but the computer wouldn't load it/reload it cuz what is on the computer is newer than what was on the disc....plus I didn't have the key/code for it.

So tell me straight out if you can, did I misunderstand you about buying a new hard drive??

If I did buy a new hard drive, could that possible fix the problems??Quote from: MJ
#1) How do I test the Hard drive?

There are many tests you can download but if you can't boot, they are useless. The easiest way I know to test it is to pull it out and stick it in as a secondary drive on another system and see if it can read it. If it can, there's hope its good enough to use. Then you can run chkdisk on it and see if it can be repaired. If it has errors (enable SMART in the BIOS to find out) then you can use the other computer to copy your important files on to.

There are other things you can do. You could download Knoppix or Ubuntu linux or I believe there is even a linux rescue CD you can download for free and burn to CD and it can do some diagnostics for you on your windows Drive. However, that takes a bit of learning as its linux based.

If you get a Windows CD and boot it, it can do some diagnostics as well and may be able to repair files that got erased through some viral or antiviral activity.

Quote from: MJ
#2) When you say buy a CD, do you mean buy a new OS CD??
Yes. But you have to get Windows XP. My advice is to not touch Vista with a ten foot pole. Its a lot better than 18 months ago, but its still really not quite done cooking yet.

Quote from: MJ
#3) This computer was built by the guy that gave it to me. where he got the OS from is anybody's guess.
He gave me a Windows XP Pro CD, but the computer wouldn't load it/reload it cuz what is on the computer is newer than what was on the disc....plus I didn't have the key/code for it.
Perhaps then he should offer some support for you. Or perhaps you should ask him where to get a cheap legal copy. Or perhaps you should leave him out of it because he meant well but made it so you can't get updates or boot a windows CD, etc etc etc.

Quote from: MJ
So tell me straight out if you can, did I misunderstand you about buying a new hard drive??

I suggested a new drive for increased performance. I spoke a bit ahead of myself.

Quote from: MJ
If I did buy a new hard drive, could that possible fix the problems??

Perhaps, but until you know if the hard drive is bad you can't know if a new hard drive will fix it.

Please note: if you do choose to buy a hard drive will be a good time to buy a new OS because you can buy the cheaper OEM version of windows with a new hard drive.
Quote from: MJ on August 27, 2008, 08:32:44 PM
Quote from: drmsucks on August 27, 2008, 03:55:25 PM
Quote from: MJ on August 27, 2008, 12:19:27 PM
So from what Y'all have said, I think that maybe replacing the HDD may be the only option besides buying a new unit. [/size][/font]
Interesting, I don't think that a new hard drive was the consensus strategy; a) test your current hard drive, 2) format and re-install Windows - if that means buying a Windows CD, so be it. Where did the OS that is presently on the computer come from?

Good luck.

#1) How do I test the Hard drive?

#2) When you say buy a CD, do you mean buy a new OS CD??

#3) This computer was built by the guy that gave it to me. where he got the OS from is anybody's guess.
He gave me a Windows XP Pro CD, but the computer wouldn't load it/reload it cuz what is on the computer is newer than what was on the disc....plus I didn't have the key/code for it.

So tell me straight out if you can, did I misunderstand you about buying a new hard drive??

If I did buy a new hard drive, could that possible fix the problems??
1) Test the hard drive as suggested in Reply #3.

2) I said, "Buy a Windows CD," if necessary, so, yes, a new "OS CD."

3) The question was, "Where did the OS that is presently on the computer come from?" Apparently, the answer is from the CD that was supplied with the system. It is easy to fix the version problem, it is not easy to fix the lack of an authorized key unless you can contact the person who built the system.

Relative to the new hard drive, you certainly didn't read my reply; I said to test the hard drive. In fact the salient advice given to you was: re-install the OS x3; test the hard drive x1; try different PSU x1; and replace the hard drive x1, with the latter suggestion given under some gratuitous theory of "improving performance."

You had questions concerning my post. I answered them here. Disregard the "answers" posted by RayDude concerning my post.Quote from: RayDude on August 27, 2008, 08:45:13 PM
Quote from: MJ
#1) How do I test the Hard drive?

There are many tests you can download but if you can't boot, they are useless.
He/she can boot; and most, if not all, drive MANUFACTURERS' diagnostic utilities have their own boot disk and don't require an OS.

RayDude - You answered two questions that were posed to me. In the future, refrain from answering questions posed to other respondents or questions that are generated from their responses; it is potentially confusing for the original poster and it is impolite.


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