Ah, but the subtle difference here is that this is the realm of imagination!

Now, video games are imagination, too -- but it's someone else's imagination. Sometimes, that vision allows some violent images and actions which others may not choose to partake.Some just won't get it Brian, so I don't even try I love senselessly violent video games, good release from life, you know? One particular game I'm looking forward to is Fallout 3. The makers of Fallout 3, Bethesda has setup a website called Prepare For The Future. When Fallout 3 comes out on the 28th, don't expect me to be online much.I understand that games are a good release from life, and I don't totally disagree with some of the violence in video games. Nor is this criticism because you like them.

I think the games may be going too far in the sense that I wonder if our subconscious / unconscious minds knows the differences? I've never played the Grand Theft Auto titles because I object to the content. That's just me.

The military games at least reflect the purposes of fighting for one's country, or to free others. The argument has been made that perhaps war games could be substitute for the real thing, but my problem is that with the rise of more realistic outlets, it seems the violence in our societies has gone up, and not down -- even with better outlets.

I just don't know...Violence rises because of many things, look at the price of gas, the pay for labor, the return of a life of servitude under some company, what do you get out of life these DAYS? I mean really, what do you get? I'd do fine without modern societies luxuries. I'm not saying we should technologically regress to cave men, I'm just saying that certain material values have gone to far, they control our lives and how we live them. I dislike the idea of being controlled or even nudged in a general direction against my will; but that's modern society, and my reason to retreat from it to a place where where societies binds are not so strongly felt.

Most people don't like the things I have to say because they know I'm right, right that society is backwards, got us caring more for material values than what matters in the long run. I don't care about material items, there optional ENTERTAINMENT and make survival a tad easier. We could live without them though, just stop and think how easily our society could crumble in an instant the way so many have before it. I'd be ready for the new world laying ahead, but would anyone else? I doubt it, there to absorbed into there current lives to survive the slightest change. People are too easily guided by simple influence like games, material values and items, the media, and most of all other people. Personally, I'd take a STONE house in the woods with a small creek nearby with a hydroelectric dam to keep the lights on and some other basic luxuries, that, as I said, make life a little easier.

To put my point into a simple straight forward statement. People are controlled, manipulated, and programmed to fit into society as certain individuals have engineered it. I mean look how sure most of you are that tomorrow, you could get up and sign onto this forum and everything will be here same and simple as it was yesterday. But that's not the truth, anything can happen, and I'm open for that possibility. Everyone is so programmed and conditioned to believe that there way of life is right, that it will always be there until they die only changing for the better, and only changing if the majority accepts the change. People who believe that are flat wrong, we control few of our actions in this modern world. Its built to make it that way.

Simple truth, its human nature to challenge the world and what is, always asking and usually not getting answers. It doesn't take much to turn a person into a rampaging lunatic with a automatic handgun or assault rifle. Anyone can do it, the question is, why would anyone do it? What drove them to do it? No one does anything without reason, you can't blame video games solely as the root of societies violence, nor can you blame movies, music, or any of that crap. You should be blaming society as a whole for there actions. Blamed Down to the very first person or thing that sprouted the tree that would grow wild into whatever violent events occur. Fact is, the whole system is designed to control and program people, some people don't fit in with that, like me, whereas some people don't fit in with anything. Some people are pushed and snap, some people get famous, some people do something stupid and get dead, others just go with it and survive. Its just human nature, pure and simple, that's all that drives the greed and violence in this society, human nature.Yes, it is human nature. Violence has always been around in some form or another, true. I know, too, that it's not just the games -- but part of the problem, large or small, is that parents let the kids at the games and movies and other media at way too young of ages. No child should see or play the GTA titles, for example.

Maybe Thoreau was right when he wrote "Walden" -- although even he returned to his previous lifestyle, afterward. Human nature.wow DR you typed a lot i accually herd that violent crimes within teens have gone down scence more and more teens have started playing themQuote from: Aegis on October 09, 2008, 12:05:42 AM

Yes, it is human nature. Violence has always been around in some form or another, true. I know, too, that it's not just the games -- but part of the problem, large or small, is that parents let the kids at the games and movies and other media at way too young of ages. No child should see or play the GTA titles, for example.

Maybe Thoreau was right when he wrote "Walden" -- although even he returned to his previous lifestyle, afterward. Human nature.